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Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds (2017)

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Resurfaced independently across 5 calendar years, with breakout response in 3 of them.

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12
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12
observed span
2018–2024
peak thread · 158 comments
144 pts
latest 20+ return · 2024-11-03
95 pts

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2007–2026

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We have this weird fetish these last few years with asserting in broad language that people don't change their minds, don't respond to evidence, dig their heels in further when presented with evidence that contradicts their preconceived opinions, etc. It's all over pop psychology and the headlines. Bugs the heck out of me, because if the language they use is literally true, then no one would ever be convinced to change their minds ever. And yet, we do. It's true…

I really dislike this narrative that facts don't change our minds and we are all irrational. The thing is, truth does exert a pull on our beliefs. It's a slow force. It may take years for people to come around to it. Sometimes it even happens on a generational scale. But we are approaching the truth. Everything in history, and everything in our daily experience tells us this. A couple of experiments where researchers manage to fool the people in…

im3w1l·116-point thread·

As is often said you cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. It also goes to show the immense danger in allowing authorities to lie and build a straw man because this leads to permenant damage to the thinking of the people who believed it even when they know later it was a lie. Adopting scientific thinking and evidence is significantly harder work which combined with the bias of prior experience makes it very hard…

Why they didn't in 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18099488 Why they didn't at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13810764

dang·5-point thread·

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380

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2018-06-20Why Facts Don’t Change Our Mindsgmays20
2018-07-05Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds (2017)joddystreet20
2018-08-18Why Facts Don't Change Our Minds (2017)technobabble20
2018-09-29Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds (2017)First breakout · Best threadBerislavLopac144158
2019-05-04Why Facts Don’t Change Our MindsAnon8430
2020-07-03Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds (2017)Hooke51
2020-07-04Why Facts Don’t Change Our Mindselorant30
2020-07-07Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds (2017)skm116122
2022-01-21Why Facts Don't Change Our Minds (2017)yamrzou21
2022-09-04Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds (2017)ksec30
2024-07-21Why Facts Don't Change Our Minds (2017)jseliger30
2024-11-03Why Facts Don't Change Our MindsHall induction · Latest 20+ point returnrbanffy9586