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Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard (1992)

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Resurfaced independently across 9 calendar years, with breakout response in 2 of them.

submissions
12
submitters
12
observed span
2008–2025
peak thread · 294 comments
270 pts
latest 20+ return · 2018-12-13
55 pts

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2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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This essay has circulated in the Chinese learning community for a long time, and David Moser is both highly respected as well as obnoxiously skilled at Mandarin. As someone who has learnt Chinese to a high degree of proficiency, I agree with many of his points, but it paints a picture that is a bit too grim in my opinion. The first thing one should note is that Moser started studying Chinese in the late 80s. Things have changed. There…

msvan·270-point thread·

This article is great fun to read and overall very informative. Yet I had a few gripes about it. * Ridiculous writing system: First, the term "ideogram" is no longer used, since it has the connotation (wrong, but older philologists believed this) that these symbols directly refer to an idea; "logogram" is the correct term. The compound nature of Chinese characters make it possible for speakers to categorize a word without knowing its meaning! This can be done if they…

Jun8·97-point thread·

...one of the most gratifying experiences a foreign student of Chinese can have is to see a native speaker come up a complete blank when called upon to write the characters for some relatively common word. ... I have seen highly literate Chinese people forget how to write certain characters in common words like "tin can", "knee", "screwdriver", "snap" (as in "to snap one's fingers"), "elbow", "ginger", "cushion", "firecracker", and so on. And when I say "forget", I mean that…

To boil that down, Chinese is So Damn Hard due to: 1. the writing system 2. the lack of cognates 3. tones Comments: (1) could be argued applies to all learners of Chinese, regardless of background or age, but it should be obvious that a Japanese student would not find characters so daunting--in fact, they would probably find some comfort relative to western alphabets. Characters do form a system--highly irregular yes--but there are definite systematic qualities that can be leveraged…

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Breakout years
2

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
469

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2008-04-29Why Chinese is so damn hardplinkplonk132
2010-04-20Why Chinese Is So Damn Harddpritchett145
2010-05-21Why Chinese Is So Damned HardFirst breakoutbarry-cotter97103
2013-01-06Why Chinese Is So Damn Hardgeoka920
2014-04-21Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard (1992)Hall induction · Best threadSoftwarePatent270294
2018-04-27Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard? (1992)shubhamjain20
2018-12-13Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard (1992)Latest 20+ point returnmonsieurpng5549
2020-06-22Why Learning Chinese Is So Damn Harddeegles20
2021-04-27Why Chinese is so Damn Hard (1991)mplanchard20
2023-05-23Why Chinese Is So Damn Hardblacktulip31
2025-05-16Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard (2018)Tomte20
2025-09-27Why Chinese Is So Damn Hard (1991)surprisetalk71