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Keep Your Identity Small (2009)

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Resurfaced independently across 9 calendar years, with breakout response in 5 of them.

submissions
13
submitters
12
observed span
2009–2022
peak thread · 300 comments
386 pts
latest 20+ return · 2021-06-07
386 pts

Submission timeline

2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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If people cannot argue fruitfully about questions that are part of their identity (and I agree with this premise), then it follows that for one to win politically (or convert them), the trick is not to convince people that your views are correct, but rather to convince people that their identity is threatened and that them maintaining their current identity (whatever that identity may be—and perhaps vagueness is key here) depends on you winning (or joining your group). Let them…

I think when he talks about "identity" what he really means is unquestioning allegiances, preventing purely merit-based objective discussions on some issues. IOW when you have an angle in it, when you're in a discussion not to get to the truth of the matter, but to achieve certain goals you have, to influence others, to push them in a direction that is favorable to you (without being conscious of it, otherwise you're just a dishonest manipulator, and this is not…

I think I concur that in educated discussions Identity does not help, but I have been thinking through the importance of identity for a while. I think in many situations identity gives you strength. I have an identity within Y Combinator, with my family, with people that went to my University, in the countries I have lived in etc. These fragments of my identity all give me strength, it means I would help people out that have similar identity to…

immad·234-point thread·

> "Politics, like religion, is a topic where there's no threshold of expertise for expressing an opinion." I agree that this is how people tend to see it. But it isn't really true. Like JavaScript or auto mechanics or animal husbandry, there is indeed a threshold of expertise for expressing a meaningful opinion. The value of somebody else's commentary on political issues is pretty much directly proportional to their understanding of the political system and their command of objective facts…

veidr·211-point thread·

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Breakout years
5

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
1289

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Total comments
906

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2009-02-08Keep Your Identity Small First breakoutmqt234253
2013-08-07Keep Your Identity Small (2009)ColinWright21190
2016-05-19Keep your identity small (2009)nostrademons184153
2017-02-18Keep Your Identity Small (2009)espeed50
2017-09-07Keep Your Identity Small (2009)Hall inductionnsgi30
2017-10-31Keep Your Identity Small(2009)hvo20
2018-02-24Keep your Identity Small (2009)hvo254110
2019-04-26PG: Keep Your Identity SmallAnon8430
2020-05-21Keep your identity small (2009)lawrenceyan20
2020-07-16Keep Your Identity Small (2009)cowpig20
2021-04-14Keep Your Identity Small (2009)tosh10
2021-06-07Keep Your Identity Small (2009)Best thread · Latest 20+ point returnmooreds386300
2022-12-10Keep Your Identity Small (2009)memorable20