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Normalization of Deviance (2015)

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Resurfaced independently across 4 calendar years, with breakout response in 3 of them.

submissions
5
submitters
5
observed span
2017–2025
peak thread · 219 comments
447 pts
latest 20+ return · 2025-09-06
58 pts

Submission timeline

2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

First comments on top threads

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“Let's say you notice that your company has a problem that I've heard people at most companies complain about: people get promoted for heroism and putting out fires, not for preventing fires.” My first day at work at big-laser-company. Manufacturing engineer for a laser (then) so complex, it required a PhD to solve problems to get units out the door. The product was a ring laser. What that means is that the laser beam travels around in a race track…

aj7·447-point thread·

It's not just growth-oriented new companies. The old ACME BigCorp.'s have exactly the same problems, but not because they disregard best practices because everyone is fixated on growth, but because inertia has crept in everywhere. Because everything is executed top-down and there's no back-channel. Because people care about their yearly bonuses and would rather not bring up uncomfortable truth to their superiors. And most of all, because there are zero techies among managers. There's a complete mental disconnect…

iSnow·180-point thread·

How would you feel if: - you were a chef. you went to culinary school and know about cooking and best practices. - you are asked to forget everything you learned in school and flip burgers with overly reused oil and unwashed equipment. - you are told that there's no time to clean the kitchen, or wash your hands. just flip as many burgers as possible to maximize profit. - the ones that cook the most burgers are rewarded, treated…

"[...]someone recently explained to me how great it is that, instead of using data to make decisions, we use political connections, and that the idea of making decisions based on data is a myth anyway; no one does that." From my experience the second part is somewhat true. I have yet to see a "data driven" decision that wasn't actually driven by a very political process of choosing what data to gather and how to interpret the results. (This obviously…

praptak·58-point thread·

The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.

Breakout years
3

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
814

reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking

Total comments
305

reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking

Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2017-12-03Normalization of deviance in software: broken practices become standard (2015)First breakoutsidcool12527
2020-01-25Normalization of Deviance (2015)pabs318043
2023-02-14Normalization of Deviance (2015)Best threadakshaykarthik447219
2025-06-19Normalization of Deviancetosh41
2025-09-06Normalization of deviance (2015)Hall induction · Latest 20+ point returntyleo5815