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Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)

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Resurfaced independently across 11 calendar years, with breakout response in 5 of them.

submissions
23
submitters
22
observed span
2011–2026
peak thread · 307 comments
1021 pts
latest 20+ return · 2021-08-19
71 pts

Submission timeline

2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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Okay, I guess as someone with hard-won expertise I'm duty-bound to take slight exception to this line: Put a backpack on and you can walk into any building at any university in the United States any time you want. First, the nitpicking: Technically you can't get into Harvard's excellent libraries without actually (a) being a Harvard student, or (b) working for Harvard. (And if you're a programmer, I'm not sure which of those options is going to prove more expensive.)…

> Do Java programmers make more money than .NET programmers? Anyone describing themselves as either a Java programmer or .NET programmer has already lost, because a) they’re a programmer (you’re not, see above) and b) they’re making themselves non-hireable for most programming jobs. In the real world, picking up a new language takes a few weeks of effort and after 6 to 12 months nobody will ever notice you haven’t been doing that one for your entire career. In the…

arbuge·570-point thread·

I don't think this will be a terribly popular opinion, but I want to offer a counterpoint. Do call yourself a programmer, because we don't deserve to call ourselves engineers. You want to know some things that define actual engineers, as the term is regulated in some countries? Real engineers have certification: you know, that thing that indicates that you can actually do your job worth a damn. What do programmers say whenever the topic of industry certification is brought…

Most of what Patrick (the writer) says is decent advice, and yes, it is important to publish your hobby junk, get feedback, go to meetups, and generally involve oneself into the community as it is not only helpful to one's career, but also fun. That being said, I don't particularly agree on the "don't be modest" comment. Rather, it really should be "don't be ashamed of what you build" (with the caveat of no matter how shameful it is), that…

ffn·80-point thread·

The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.

Breakout years
5

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
1980

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Total comments
905

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2011-10-29Don't Call Yourself a ProgrammerFirst breakout · Best threadjambo1021267
2014-04-20Don't Call Yourself A Programmer, And Other Career Advice (2011)Katelyn101
2015-02-07Don't call yourself a programmer (2011)jrslv8084
2015-07-15Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advicekenny-log_ins166
2016-09-21Don't Call Yourself A Programmer, And Other Career Advice (2011)Hall inductionrgun154147
2018-04-17Don't Call Yourself a Programmer (2011)gk121
2018-09-26Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)godelmachine20
2018-12-26Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advicevikaskyadav40
2019-03-09Don’t Call Yourself a Programmerngcc_hk50
2019-08-02Don't Call Yourself a Programmer (2011)dudul20
2019-09-04Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advicesnow_mac30
2019-09-16Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advicemoonman8060
2019-10-20Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)greyoda570307
2021-01-25Don't call yourself a programmer (2011)quantified90
2021-03-22Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career AdviceZephyrBlu20
2021-03-23Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advicelopespm51
2021-08-19Don't Call Yourself A Programmer, And Other Career Advice (2011)Latest 20+ point returnDonckele7189
2022-11-24Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advicehsuduebc241
2022-12-22Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)jckahn20
2024-04-22Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)tosh30
2025-01-24Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)sebg60
2025-12-30Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)teleforce11
2026-04-13Don't Call Yourself a Programmer, and Other Career Advice (2011)gk120