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Why aren’t we using SSH for everything?

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Resurfaced independently across 4 calendar years, with breakout response in 2 of them.

submissions
4
submitters
4
observed span
2015–2021
peak thread · 103 comments
270 pts
latest 20+ return · 2017-02-04
58 pts

Submission timeline

2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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For one thing, SSH performance for large transfers is abysmal over high-latency links. SSH uses a small TCP window size because it was optimized for quick response, not bulk transfers. (After all, it was designed to be a remote shell protocol, not a generic file transfer protocol; scp and sftp were added after the fact.) And unfortunately you can't currently specify a different buffer size even if you wanted to. More information can be found here: http://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh

Because it's not a very good protocol. Adopting it, instead of HTTP/2 and TLS 1.3, basically gets you everything that is bad about TLS (most notably, a legacy of 1990s cryptography) and everything that is bad about SSH (poor performance, extreme complexity), and leave you with no upsides. For instance: the HTTPS stack will, with effort, allow you to opt in to protocol forwarding, via mechanisms that were designed to prevent accidental forwarding. The SSH stack, on the other hand…

tptacek·173-point thread·

Amazingly, the chat example still works: $ ssh chat.shazow.net * prepperdev joined. (Connected: 35) [prepperdev] anyone here? :)

The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.

Breakout years
2

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
505

reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking

Total comments
197

reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking

Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2015-01-02Why aren’t we using SSH for everything?First breakout · Best threaddkua270103
2016-04-17Why aren’t we using SSH for everything? (2015)fforflo17384
2017-02-04Why aren’t we using SSH for everything? (2015)Latest 20+ point returnturrini589
2021-02-03Why aren’t we using SSH for everything? (2015)prepperdev41