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Thoughts on Flash

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Resurfaced independently across 9 calendar years, with breakout response in 2 of them.

submissions
15
submitters
15
observed span
2010–2021
peak thread · 505 comments
962 pts
latest 20+ return · 2021-05-06
198 pts

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2007–2026

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If they're going to pitch HTML5 as an alternative to Flash (and, implicitly, the iPhoneOS API), then why not let them compete directly with Cocoa Touch apps? Why not offer HTML5 developers a way to take advantage of the App Store's monetization and discoverability? Apple already provides some amazing documentation and tutorials for making offline-capable mobile web apps, but they're still treated by Apple as the bastard cousins of "real" iPhone apps. They should buy or provide an officially-supported analogue…

joshwa·962-point thread·

Context: In the essay [0], Jobs suggested mobile app development on should focus on HTML5 (which is now called Progressive Web Apps / PWA) Apple has has been recently been rolling out anti-PWA practices [1]. Probably to reinforce their "walled garden". [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20170615060422/https://www.apple... [1]: https://ionicframework.com/blog/is-apple-trying-to-kill-pwas...

max_·198-point thread·

To put it in context, this open letter was the month before Google's demo debacle at "Flash Camp" in May that year, when every attempt to demo Flash running on Android resulted in a browser crash. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7709473/Disastro... A lot of the comments in that thread would have been posted before that.

simonh·12-point thread·

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Breakout years
2

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
1189

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Total comments
698

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2010-04-29Thoughts on FlashFirst breakout · Best threadandrewdavey962505
2011-11-09Thoughts on Flashshawndumas123
2013-11-10Steve Jobs: Thoughts on Flash (2010)sarreph10
2014-03-02Thoughts on Flash (2010)watermel0n10
2014-04-30Thoughts on Flash ~ Steve Jobs (2010 - Exactly 4 years ago)pathikrit10
2017-01-06Thoughts on Flash (2010)rishabhd10
2017-07-25Thoughts on Flash (2010)coloneltcb20
2017-07-26Thoughts on Flash Steve Jobsblondie9x30
2018-06-26Thoughts on Flash – Steve Jobs (2010)shubhamjain10
2019-01-07Thoughts on Flash – Steve Jobs (2010)pancomplex10
2019-09-14Thoughts on Flashgodelmachine20
2020-01-23Thoughts on Flash (2010)avuxo10
2020-05-14Thoughts on Flash – Steve Jobs (2010)gge10
2020-06-10Thoughts on Flash (2010)tosh20
2021-05-06Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash”Hall induction · Latest 20+ point returnmax_198190