Submission timeline
2007–2026One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.
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HN comment orderA simple non-mathematical resolution is that no information has been gained by selecting the first envelope. Since no information about the contents was available before selecting the first envelope switching envelopes is a neutral act. While this sounds like just a lazy intuitive explanation, it calls out the key component - a lack of information about the outcome - that can help avoid the paradox in more complex situations. This is in contrast to the three-door problem where information is…
Isn't the expected value of both envelopes, prior to picking either, 0.5 * X, where X is the sum of the envelopes' value? So one way to argue this is a fallacious problem is that you can't take an unknown (the actual value of the envelope that you picked) and pretend it's a known. The value of the envelope you are holding, prior to opening it, is 0.5 * X. The value of the other envelope is also (0.5 *…
Since no information is gained between one's first choice and the second, I see no advantage in changing. In that sense, this problem differs from the Monty Hall problem, wherein new information is revealed between the first and second choice.
The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.
- Breakout years
- 2
- Total points
- 376
- Total comments
- 390
100+ points or 50+ comments
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reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking
Every submission
| Date | Title as submitted | By | Points | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2010-08-06 | Two Envelopes ProblemFirst breakout | atomon | 112 | 88 |
| 2013-03-05 | Two envelopes paradox | simonster | 2 | 0 |
| 2014-10-01 | The Two Envelopes Problem | Gupie | 1 | 0 |
| 2020-01-23 | Two Envelopes Problem | minouye | 2 | 0 |
| 2022-05-30 | Two envelopes problemHall induction · Best thread · Latest 20+ point return | niklasbuschmann | 249 | 300 |
| 2024-04-04 | Two Envelopes Problem | EndXA | 2 | 0 |
| 2025-07-02 | Two Envelopes Problem | atomon | 8 | 2 |
