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Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Resurfaced independently across 6 calendar years, with breakout response in 3 of them.

submissions
8
submitters
8
observed span
2012–2023
peak thread · 260 comments
596 pts
latest 20+ return · 2023-07-02
128 pts

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2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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Like many others in the comments, I disagree with the whole "Don't be the first to state a number" strategy. Being weaselly about your number is a very noob thing to do in a negotiation. A skilled negotiator will seize on this and anchor the negotiations in at a very low rate. You need to know your number ahead of time, and drop it on them like it's the most natural thing in the world. Your initial offer should be…

bhousel·596-point thread·

> We’ve been talking about your employer as an abstraction, but in the instant case you’re talking to an actual person. Let’s call him Bob. It is Bob’s job to get you signed with the company as cheaply as possible, but Bob is not super motivated to do so, because Bob is not spending Bob’s money to hire you. Bob is spending Bob’s budget. Bob generally does not get large performance incentives for shaving money off of his hiring budget…

Just to add an important caveat to the promise of the headline. When you reach a certain point, earning more money usually comes with increasing downsides. Managers at most well-run, larger companies will expect more than just your reasonable best efforts. As you move up the ladder they will demand consistent delivery of specific, tangible results. Sometimes you'll be required to achieve these results with insufficient resources or in changing circumstances beyond your control. And each year the targets will…

A brilliant quote from a Harvard Law School Negotiation Paper on the same topic: "Instead, try to fgure out what pay category someone with your education and experience would receive, then build a case for a salary at the high end of that range. If an interviewer asks you to name your price, how should you respond? In their book 3-D Negotiation (Harvard Business School Press, 2006), Lax and James Sebenius recommend making a “non-ofer ofer,” or a statement that…

phyalow·72-point thread·

The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.

Breakout years
3

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
1239

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Total comments
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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2012-01-23Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More ValuedFirst breakout · Best threadllambda596193
2015-08-22Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)sergeant330
2017-05-13Salary Negotiation (2012)etjossem40
2017-06-05Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valuedmthwsjc_30
2017-12-26Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valuedputnam132
2019-02-27Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valuedfadolf7214
2020-09-25Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)Hall inductionFiveplus420260
2023-07-02Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More ValuedLatest 20+ point returnm5r12844