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Privacy not included: Holiday gift list for privacy and security

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Resurfaced independently across 5 calendar years, with breakout response in 3 of them.

submissions
6
submitters
6
observed span
2018–2025
peak thread · 65 comments
153 pts
latest 20+ return · 2021-08-06
113 pts

Submission timeline

2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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I see this as nothing more than a fun poke by Mozilla at the overwhelming majority of the technology industry—those who treat privacy as a nuisance at best and as a non-event at worst. Mozilla are giving people like myself the fun of clicking on the Amazon Echo or Google Home and voting "Super creepy," chuckling to ourselves about our virtuousness before closing the tab in Firefox. I doubt they expect this page to be used by many laypeople. Maybe…

bhauer·153-point thread·

I really don't like this website. The criteria appears to be "things Mozilla thinks technology companies should be doing", and not necessarily related to privacy. For example—sites get downgraded if they don't require strong passwords. Now, maybe websites should require strong passwords, that's a completely reasonable position to take. But if you, the user, are using a strong password, whether or not others are required to use strong passwords has no impact on your privacy. Especially because privacy ≠ security.

I wanted to give everyone a heads up here, this is genuinely a terrible site. I like the things mozilla does more generally. But this site... These product listings are USER RATED! And they're sorted based on users ratings. General users will vote for anything positive to indicate they like it, and anything negative to indicate they hate it. "Is this product good value?" "Yes." "Is this a luxury product?" "Yes." "Is this product affordable?" "Yes." All stand in's for…

oehpr·110-point thread·

Firefox has telemetry by default and includes Google as the default search engine. Farcical theatre.

The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.

Breakout years
3

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
389

reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking

Total comments
181

reference only — not used in Hall rules or ranking

Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2018-11-14Privacy not included: Holiday gift list for privacy and securityFirst breakout · Best threadtareqak15348
2020-04-17Privacy Not Includedgullyfur11065
2021-08-06Mozilla: *Privacy Not IncludedLatest 20+ point returnEngineering-MD11365
2023-12-15Mozilla: Privacy Not Inculded Product Guidemgd11
2023-12-28Mozilla Privacy Not Includedharporoeder42
2025-02-03Privacy Not Included – Mozilla Foundationmatthberg80