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General Motors Streetcar Conspiracy

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Resurfaced independently across 7 calendar years, with breakout response in 2 of them.

submissions
14
submitters
9
observed span
2014–2024
peak thread · 199 comments
199 pts
latest 20+ return · 2024-04-30
63 pts

Submission timeline

2007–2026

One slot for every year since HN launched. Height is that year's peak points; orange marks a 100+ point or 50+ comment breakout. Select a bar to open its strongest thread.

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This is false, revisionist history. During the war maintenance was deferred and many operators either went bankrupt or dramatically reduced operations. By the time the war ended the tracks and rolling stock were all in need of replacement. The public did not love streetcars for many reasons. The ride was rough, they were boiling in the summer and freezing in the winter. They forced all manner of people into close quarters with one another. Insufficient capacity meant it was not…

m0llusk·199-point thread·

I researched this one pretty deeply once, and the full story was a bit more complicated than at surface level: - Streetcars of the time were very uneconomical and surprisingly dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tram_accidents They were not very comparable to modern light rail. - Upgrading/modernizing them would not have been as straightforward as people would think. Think SF's cable cars - everything was small scale, regional, and not-interoperable. - GM et al establishing a trust was not about…

A couple of fascinating takeaways from this that don't get brought up very often when the conspiracy is mentioned: - Streetcars were already failing when GM and their cohorts swooped in. They just accelerated the collapse and took advantage of it to enrich themselves. In fact, the reason GM's puppet was able to acquire and shut down all these streetcar companies was because the industry was dying, and the owners of those wanted to sell before the bottom fell out…

amyjess·11-point thread·

Related: the first consumer electric vehicle, the EV1.

The first top-level comment from each of the four biggest threads, in HN’s own order. Excerpts are shortened; open a comment for full context.

Breakout years
2

100+ points or 50+ comments

Total points
302

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Total comments
260

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2014-06-02General Motors streetcar conspiracy (1936-1950)qzervaas20
2014-10-04General Motors Street Car Conspiracyjkimmel40
2016-09-29General Motors streetcar conspiracydban20
2019-01-01General Motors streetcar conspiracyTomte20
2019-05-02General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyTomte114
2019-12-07General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyTomte30
2020-06-09General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyTomte10
2021-06-11General Motors Streetcar Conspiracymarricks20
2021-07-22General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyTomte20
2022-03-11General Motors Streetcar Conspiracyareoform20
2022-03-29General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyTomte20
2022-05-29General Motors Streetcar Conspiracyushakov71
2022-07-20General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyFirst breakout · Best threadmmastrac199199
2024-04-30General Motors Streetcar ConspiracyLatest 20+ point returnnadermx6356