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Queues don't fix overload (2014)

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Resurfaced independently across 8 calendar years, with breakout response in 2 of them.

submissions
8
submitters
8
observed span
2014–2026
peak thread · 153 comments
205 pts
latest 20+ return · 2026-06-09
67 pts

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2007–2026

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First, Little's Law[1] can be mentioned as a formalized version of the "red arrow" in the blog post. It's true you cannot increase subsystem capacity (peak throughput) by adding queues. However, queues can "fix" an overload in one sense by making an engineering tradeoff of increased latency and additional complexity (e.g. SPOF[2]). Peak capacity handling didn't increase but overall server utilization can be maximized because jobs waiting in a queue will eventually soak up resources running at less than 100%…

jasode·205-point thread·

What queues do is smooth out the mismatch between supply and demand. If the mismatch lasts long enough, the queue will overflow, and then you need to load shed (and you need to plan for what the least bad way of load shedding is). But queues do increase overall throughput, up to a point. If the demand was bursty on short timescales and you only allow a small queue to build before load-shedding, you may be wasting capacity. Increasing the…

Back in the 90s. I was part of a team working R&D project on flexible manufacturing. One of the central concepts was the use of buffers (also called decouplers) between manufacturing stations. These buffers were the space needed to place not finished products while they waited for the next station. Typically a conveyor belt. The main service is that both stations could run at slightly different rhythm, and they would not be causing problems on the other one. Either starving…

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2

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Total points
492

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Total comments
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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2014-11-19Queues Don't Fix OverloadFirst breakout · Best threadcraigkerstiens20559
2016-07-31Queues won't fix overloadbiosysm90
2017-03-19Queues Don't Fix Overloadkiyanwang30
2020-05-13Queues don't fix overload (2014)kqr120
2022-03-08Queues Don't Fix Overloadmikaelmello10
2023-03-07Queues Don't Fix Overload (2014)Dowwie20
2024-01-18Queues don't fix overload (2014)Hall inductionakbarnama193153
2026-06-09Queues Don't Fix Overload (2014)Latest 20+ point returnlocknitpicker6732