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Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men

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Resurfaced independently across 3 calendar years, with breakout response in 2 of them.

submissions
3
submitters
3
observed span
2019–2023
peak thread · 591 comments
614 pts
latest 20+ return · 2023-08-16
82 pts

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2007–2026

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Reminiscent of Simpson's Paradox, the most famous example being a gender discrimination lawsuit alleging UC Berkeley discriminated against women in admissions (57% men vs. 43% women). It turned out there WAS bias - in favor of the women! "The lawsuit triggered a study. The study results showed that not only were women not discriminated against, but that women had a statistically significant advantage! Here’s what happened. Some departments had high acceptance rates and some had low acceptance rates. Women applied…

I've thought about the math related to this a bit. Let's say you have a certain (role,level,rating) tuple with 2 women and 8 men. You desire gender equality, and thus say that the average pay for women and men must be equal within a (role,level,rating) tuple, and to do this, you'll raise the salary of the less-paid gender. The women, due to there being less of them, will have an average pay with higher variance than the average pay of…

Thorrez·82-point thread·

> [Damore] argued that biological differences and not a lack of opportunity explained the shortage of women in upper-tier positions. This is an unfortunate way of characterizing Damore’s argument. It’s technically true in that Damore IIRC was arguing that there was more variation among men than women (more men at the top and at the bottom but fewer in the middle, but Google hires from the top hence more men). So yeah, technically biological differences, but when the average person…

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2

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774

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Every submission

DateTitle as submittedByPointsComments
2019-03-04Google Moves to Address Wage Equity, and Finds It’s Underpaying Many MenFirst breakout · Best threadgatsby614591
2021-05-23Google Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men as It Addresses Wage Equity (2019)pelasaco7825
2023-08-16Google Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men as It Addresses Wage EquityLatest 20+ point returnfooker8267